If you are "pro-choice" you may already understand if you are "pro-life" get yourself a cup of tea and PAY ATTENTION AND READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE JESUS HAS A TEST FOR YOU AT THE END!
When I was 21 I was in a relationship that was at the time a serious relationship. I was living with the guy (who shall remain nameless for several reasons) And his mother. She insisted that we have separate rooms until we were married. Being young and stupid we'd have sex any time she wasn't home. We had been together since I was 20 but the relationship was far from stable and it bordered on being abusive. I fell pregnant and things went a bit weird. I had wanted children some day but I wanted to wait until I was physically and mentally capable of having a child and I was part of the way through doing my HSC at tafe. I became really sick with morning sickness and I could not attend most of my classes so that quickly went down the toilet. When it was confirmed that I was indeed pregnant the boyfriend insisted that I have an abortion. He also did not want me to get an ultrasound because he thought that as soon as I heard the heartbeat that I wouldn't want to go through with it. The doctor actually insisted that I have the ultrasound because they needed to know how far along I was and that there were no other possible complications. The boyfriend got really creepy about things at this time and I was very scared that if I didn't go through with the abortion that he would have done something to me to stop me from having the baby anyway.
So the ultrasound was done to confirm that I was 6 weeks pregnant and I was referred to a clinic to have a vacuum evacuation done a few weeks later. I was given all the information on what was going to happen and what I needed to do to prepare and what I should expect afterwards. My boyfriend insisted on actually being present at the procedure. Even the clinic staff baulked at the idea of it but he said that he'd watched someone blow their brains out before and he could handle it. Thankfully I knew I was not in a position to care for a child at the time nor would it have been a good idea to have brought a child into the world under the circumstances I was in. The house we lived in was like something out of hoarders and my friends (the ones who still had anything to do with me during that relationship) were surprised I hadn't died of some sort of disease from the conditions in the house. Especially since the kitchen had a mountain of rabbit shit in the corner but that is a completely different story which I'm not going to get into now. I think the staff of the clinic were slightly un-nerved by him wanting to be present but they allowed it. According to him they were apparently rough with the procedure. He later told me that the nurse thought I had clinical depression when we were having relationship issues. I was never told anything like that by the staff at the clinic but that was also one of his little mind games that he would play. He would make me feel like I was being unreasonable when in reality he was just bullshitting me to make me feel bad.
Eventually I left the relationship and was seeing someone else and somewhere in the overlap between actually leaving and seeing another person I got pregnant again. During this time I was living with some friends who were good enough to put me up for a few months. The now ex-boyfriend blamed the whole relationship breakdown on insisting on the abortion which was not the case. He made friends with the people I was living with and was stalking me for a good year or so after I left him. With the stress of all of the stalking and a bout of food poisoning I had a miscarriage before I had realised I was pregnant and it coincided with when my periods were so I had no idea till the next month when the crimson tide didn't come in that I had even been pregnant.
Several trips to the doctor with fluctuating hormone levels confused my doctor greatly and when I had the ultrasound to figure out what was going on the sonographer uttered the words "transvaginal ultrasound". The sonographer was extremely polite about the situation and was fine if I didn't want to have it done because of the invasiveness of the procedure. I opted to have it done because I was over being a damned pin cushion for the 12 blood tests I had during the times back and forth between the ups and downs of the hormone levels. It seemed that the fetus had died off at about 3-4 weeks but the sac kept growing hence the odd hormone levels. My doctor referred me to the local hospitals clinic to have a procedure call a drain and clean done which was similar to the former procedure. I was about a week or 2 off having blood poisoning from it and often the "drain and clean" procedure is the procedure they would use to perform an "abortion" before it was legalised and was often done when the fetus posed a medical threat to the mother.
Jump ahead a few years I've worked for a while on a career that had quite a glass ceiling for a woman and i had met a man that I could tolerate having around since we had many things in common and similar interests and all of that. We had been together for a while and I had become pregnant with the child we were trying for. All the blood tests checked out and the first ultrasound everything was normal but we had missed the window for the Nuchal translucency scan at 12 weeks due to epic waiting times at the hospital's obstetrics clinic and the fact privately it would have cost us $300 and i wasn't considered a high risk for chromosomal disorders. At about 18 weeks i got really bad swelling in my legs which my GP thought may have been pre-eclampsia but it was far too soon for me to be having the symptoms at just 18 weeks so she gave me a letter to take to emergency at the local hospital and called them to let them know we were coming.
They were all very quiet when they were doing the ultrasounds and told me that there was a problem with the babies spine and that they were waiting for the specialist doctor to determine exactly what was going on. I had a blood test that showed I was having issues with my liver from the large fluid sac that went from the babies head all the way down her spine. The next day I had an amniocentesis test which I still have the scar from. (Lesson learnt don't let student doctors do this!) The babies heart was failing and I was starting to mimic the symptoms the baby had and I was told that not only would she not survive full term but that if I continued on it was likely I would go into heart failure when the baby would finally go into heart failure. They had another doctor look over all the tests and they also agreed that proceeding with this would be possibly fatal for both myself and my daughter.
They gave us some time to make a choice to carry on or to terminate the pregnancy. We chose the latter. Even if our daughter had been born she would have had endless hours of pain and suffering and the condition would have made her mind a prisoner in a useless body.
The procedure was pretty much an induced labour since she was past the 12 week mark where the other forms of pregnancy termination are not possible. The night before they were to induce me I felt her die inside me and it was like the entire world had stopped. The next day they put the pessaries in to bring on the labour.
Not much had happened for most of the day and I had friends and family come see me and we talked and made dead baby jokes because thats how I roll. When things are bad we make jokes so it's not as painful but it's a placebo the pain of this is always there. After a while my water broke and my friends and family apart from the Fiancée left. They did not want to be present and I don't blame them because it is a very confronting thing to know that the birth that is about to take place is not a joyus one and there is no life at the end.
I felt an urge to go potty and the next thing I know there is a pink and purple tiny person in the pan they put in the toilet to measure the fluid I was losing and to make sure if it happened there (which it did) that she wouldn't end up in the toilet. The nurses got me to get back on the bed and accidentally snapped the cord which was white and about maybe 5mm thick. She was 16cm long and weighed 380g. One of the nurses stabbed me in the leg with a needle of stuff to make me deliver the placenta which was about 4 times the size of the baby. They took her away and tried to find some clothes or something to cover her. an hour or so later they came back with her in a little colourful box wrapped up in what they had found which was way too big. They let us talk to her and say goodbye then we had to make arrangements for her funeral as the hospital would only cremate her after the coroner had finished what they had to do.
Before anyone jumps on me about having the coroner do an autopsy because they think that this was some sort of murder I insisted on it and I believe it is also a standard practice for birth defects and requires the parents to consent. My reasons for wanting the autopsy is so that if they found something that could help prevent another woman having to go through this and because I wanted to, no needed to know what went wrong and if I was ever going to be able to have a normal healthy child.
The autopsy report showed that most of her birth defects came from the fact that her skeletal muscles had not developed at all and as she was growing the lack of muscle growth had been preventing her body from growing the way it should have been. They believe it is something to do with a broken part of the DNA that both myself and my husband have and have told me that I have a 1 in 4 chance of having another deformed baby. Sadly though this condition has no name it is more common than you would think.
Nine months or so after we lost our daughter I found out I was pregnant again and I was terrified that all of this was going to happen again. Thankfully the hospital took good care of me and I had an ultrasound every few weeks so that we could all make sure the baby was fine. At 18 weeks he mooned us and wiggled his wang at us. He was known from then on as the BELLYNINJA from all the kicking and moving about he did. At about 31 weeks I had myself a small stroke or two from the stress of family crap surrounding my wedding and pretty much a petty shitfit between certain family members which again is a different story for another time. So I spent the last 8 weeks of my pregnancy on blood thinners I had to inject myself with daily. I was induced at 39 weeks and had a healthy baby boy who at the end of next month will be 3!
If you are "pro-life" and think abortion is murder look into my son's eyes and tell him his mother is a murderer because she wanted to have a child when she was physically and mentally capable of caring for a child or because she chose not to continue a potentially fatal pregnancy. Thats him! Now this is the test from Jesus . Would you deny his right to live to save the fetuses that I aborted before him?
Think carefully before you vote to take away someone elses rights. This story could have been anyone you know. This story is true and is not as uncommon as you would believe. Don't judge people for having an abortion people don't do it for the hell of it and it's never a decision that is taken lightly nor is it an easy one to live with. Women who have abortions are not evil whores who murder babies. We are people the same as you.
*Edit* The procedure I had done in my second pregnancy is actually a Dilate and Curettage
Problem is, bringing a baby "into the world" happens when you conceive, not at birth. Those three babies you aborted were living human beings. We shouldn't be able to decide if someone else gets to live based on whether it's convenient for us, or whether we believe their lives could be horrible, or whether they will suffer from a deformity or disease. Ask deformed men and women who were given the chance to live whether they would have preferred to be killed in the womb...and they will choose life.
ReplyDeleteEven if you didn't want to care for your perished, deformed children, there are men and women willing to love those you do not love—adoption has always been an option. Aborting children in the womb is an act of selfishness, especially when the reasons involve bad timing, too much paperwork, or not enough money.
Murder has never been a "right" for the American people. It should never be a right for women to murder the innocent, precious human beings inside them.
You try to justify your actions by saying Jesus will save the unborn you abort. But that's like saying it's all right to murder Christians because they will end up in Heaven. That's wrong, and it will always be wrong.
Wow, Phillip, that went completely over your head, didn't it? Oh, wait, you wouldn't realize that since you are only concerned with how YOU feel about the issue.
DeleteSheryl, you begin your rebuttal by using an ad hominem—which leads me to believe you are not interested in analyzing opposing arguments.
DeleteThe hypocrisy is that you claim I am only concerned with how I feel about the issue, when in reality you are arguing for the position that says this subject should exclusively be up to how the mother feels about the issue.
Yeah, that is exactly how it is, Phillip. It is up to the woman who is pregnant (and whoever else she wants to include) as to what is done about her pregnancy, whether that is carrying to term or having an abortion. It is your right to believe that abortion is wrong but it is not your right to force your belief on someone else. Whenever the woman in your life chooses to have a baby and include you, then that is your business, not anyone else's. And my "rebuttal", as you called it, was more of an observation that it seemed like we read 2 different stories. Sometimes, Phillip, you CAN'T care for your deformed child because they will already be dead. I truly believe that this whole issue is one of those where you must walk the same mileage as the person who has gone through the experience before you could even begin to judge their situation.
DeleteFirst of all, since you're apparently such a stickler about minor spelling and grammatical errors, my name has just one 'L' in it.
DeleteYou go on to say sometimes a deformed child is "already...dead", but the fact is, a child in the womb—immediately upon an indirect death—will induce the birth-giving stage. You also say I am not to "even begin to judge" when I haven't walked "the same mileage", but you can apply that same logic to a father or mother who murders a 2-year-old; in situations like these where murder is involved, do you really want others to experience the choice of murder to understand what it's like to be in "their shoes"?
Pastor Lee Jong-rak from South Korea has been in Theressa's shoes to the point of having a "deformed child" of his own, and he chose life. Now he takes in the deformed children that are unloved by their parents, as he holds all life as precious. There are men and women out there just like Lee, willing to take in and love Theressa's unloved children.
Adoption is not only an option, it's beauty illustrated on Earth.
Again, Philip (with 1 l), you apparently skim over what you read and do not take in all the words. I said in the situation of abortions, which is nothing like someone murdering their 2 year old child, it should be a case of having to walk in someone else's shoes. Whether you or I like it or not, that fetus (yes, fetus-for that is the stage of human development that it is in) is a part of the woman's body and it is no one else's business what she does with her own body. LET ME REPEAT-NONE OF YOURS, MINE OR THE PEOPLE DOWN THE STREETS BUSINESS. THE END. I don't care who would be willing to take care of anyone's full-term child, a woman should not be forced to carry to term especially in regards to being raped, molested or her life is in danger. The woman's life is more important.
DeleteIn reference to your repetition of "deformed children", I assume that you are referring to only the first pregnancy since she miscarried after that and the child before her son, and I quote, "The babies heart was failing and I was starting to mimic the symptoms the baby had and I was told that not only would she not survive full term but that if I continued on it was likely I would go into heart failure when the baby would finally go into heart failure", hence, was not a viable pregnancy. Your argument for "deformed children" may only apply to the first or you didn't pay attention?? Anyways, does not matter....not your business to decide for someone else. Period.
Philip, I'm not sure you're getting this at all. How do you adopt a child that, according to LAW, never even existed? My daughter was anencephalic. She had no brain. Not part of a brain, not a small piece of a brain, none. Zero. She never took a breath of her own. I didn't get a BIRTH CERTIFICATE for her! I believe that would make adoption legally unfeasible.
DeleteAnd, for the record, neither could I get an abortion at all, being as how *I* live in the good ol' USA, where we deny those things after a certain point unless the woman (and wife, and mother of three) is actually bleeding out on the table. Then we MAY perform a C-section to see if we can patch you up in time.
And lest you start congratulating yourself on your "victory" in banning late-term abortion unless it's already too late - yeah, sorry, we're talking 17 years ago this April. You're fighting a battle your ignorant cohorts won DECADES ago.
Philip you don't own a uterus so YOU CAN FUCK RIGHT OFF. You have absolutely no right to say what is right or wrong here. If you had of paid attention and read my story properly my second pregnancy didn't even form a fetus so your argument that life starts at conception is completely invalid! My brother went through the foster care system and i've seen way to many kids getting abused while waiting to be adopted out and I could not have done that to a child. Also the adoption process is lengthy and the child would have to stay in foster care and passed from place to place until the adoption gets finalized.
DeleteThankfully I am not american nor am I governed by religious whackjobs who think a bunch of cells dividing is more important than the person who is harbouring the dividing cells. Again you don't own a uterus you should have no say as to whats going on in one unless you are the sperm donor. As for my daughter there was no way she could have lived any type of life at all even if we had both survived the pregnancy. Her skeletal muscles did not form and she would not have been able to breathe outside of the womb NOR WOULD I HAVE SUBJECTED HER TO A LIFE OF BEING A PRISONER IN A USELESS BODY. Also if I had of continued that pregnancy or any of the others I would not have the little boy who you saw at the end of my blog. So you would have denied him the right to live over the 3 previous pregnancies? And one question How do you know that this wasn't gods plan all along? When did you last sit down and kick it with Jesus?
Children are a beautiful and precious gift. I can't even begin to empathize with what you went through, from your unexpected pregnancy at a young age to the complications with your later pregnancies. I am not hear to shame, condemn, or judge and would never call you a 'murderer'. However, I must say that my heart does ache to know that your precious first child was taken away because you were not yet prepared to take care of him/her. It may have been extremely difficult to have carried your child to term, but the most selfless and brave thing you could have done is give it a life - even if that meant it couldn't have been shared with you. Adoption is one of most selfless and brave things an unexpected, unprepared, and unequipped new mother can do. I know of couples today DYING to become parents to beautiful babies like yours.
ReplyDeleteWhile God does not say that we should knowingly take a mother's life to save a child, we do have to treat our children within as a life worth saving and sometimes at the risk of our own health.
I'm sorry for your experiences, and hope that one day your heart will open up to realize the undeniable beauty of our precious unborn. I don't judge, for I truly believe that those that are pro-choice are good people, but just haven't opened their heart up to the love and truth about our children. I'd ask you to look into your son's eyes and wonder - what OTHER beautiful eyes did I miss out on looking into?
Way to fail at not shaming, condemning or judging, Suzanne. If that wasn't why you were here (not "hear"), then you would not have commented at all.
DeleteAgain, Sheryl, the hypocrisy is in how you shame, condemn, and judge Suzanne. Tolerance is a two-way street, and there are times for intolerance—especially when it involves matters of life and death.
DeleteMy tolerance, Philip, is for the fact that both you and Suzanne have a right to your opinion and beliefs but in no way do either of you have a right to try to force those onto other people's lives. I am not a hypocrite....I never claimed that I would not shame, condemn or judge someone but I try not to, unless they try to force their beliefs on others.
DeleteWhy don't you use your intolerance for the children that are already here and need good homes, food, schooling, etc. instead of what a woman chooses to do with her own body? And I am not trying to be sarcastic in asking this, but have you contributed in this area?
Yesterday when I posted this blog was the due date 11 years ago of that first pregnancy that I did not go through with. I can't spend my life wasting time on what if's. If I had of had that first baby I may have had exactly the same issues as I had with my 3rd pregnancy so I wouldn't be here to say Unless you're having to go through it you have no say in taking away that choice for someone else.
DeleteI find it hilarious that the person criticizing so far is Male..
ReplyDeletePhiLip... take a step back from your political point of view... Pull your head Cleanly out of your ass-hole and i suggest you re-read the article..
Theressa stated that some did not make it in fetal with the last baby passing away from fetal heart failure and not deformity, though the deformity would not have helped..
Also not once did i read Theressa state anything along the lines of "You try to justify your actions by saying Jesus will save the unborn you abort. But that's like saying it's all right to murder Christians because they will end up in Heaven. That's wrong, and it will always be wrong." as you so blindly pointed out...
Fact be known, Christianity has killed more people than Abortions and Guns combined.. And seeing as from 800ad through to the mid 1600's under christian rule if a women was to fall pregnant outside of a marriage she HAD to terminate the pregnancy which in 90% of cases killed both the mother and baby.
Whilst i dont agree on terminating a "Healthy" fetus, i also know what people go through trying to support a child with complications...
In Short, id strongly advise that unless you plan on growing a vagina yourself, do not stand between a woman and her rights.. its her body her choice. Guarantee that if there was something you wanted to do as a MALE, you would kick up a friggen stink if a women said no you cant do that.
also, as Philip failed to prove on facebook claiming Birth rates are down in the states due to the increase in abortions.. mate do some friggen research before you open your mouth... I fully understand opinions are like assholes, and that everyone has one.. but also, opinions are like assholes, and that not everyone wants to hear one...
ReplyDeleteYou claim birth rates were down because Abortion rates were up.. where the F do you get you information, or was that something your "god" told you....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States
since the Peak in 1989, the number of abortions dropped 10% by 2004, and steadily continued to do so.. The reason reason birth rates and numbers are down is simple... money, the financial situation.
In case you are currently using ur brain as nothing more than a paper weight than i have a news flash for you.. People these days are better educated when it comes to having children (given not everyone) but the majority of people sort themselves out financially before even considering trying for a baby...
Or are you to arrogant to understand that...
If im wrong prove it, seeing as you have done such a bang up job so far...
If not, please feel free to continue to throw your speculations to the wind.. im loving how much your making yourself out to look like a complete idiot...
Hey Theressa, I am a former "fetus" 37 years ago my mother found out she was 3 months pregnant while on birth control. She was also a professional dancer at the time. Her doctor recommended a abortion because of her health. He told her if she went through with the pregnancy, one of us if not both might not make it. She told him, only God could "choose" her babies future. Here I am now with 3 kids of my own all thanks to the LOVE of my mother, who happens to be a wonderfull grandmother too. Could you look me and my kids in our eyes and tell us that we should not be alive because grandma took a "chance" and continued a potentially fatal pregnancy?
ReplyDeleteYou said you felt your baby die inside of you. At what point would you say she had "life"?
Your mother made a choice, I made a choice both decisions were the right one for each of our circumstances. I'm not wanting to deny anyone else the opportunity to choose if they should go either way. My liver was already starting to show signs of failure when I saw my doctor. I still have issues with my liver from that .From the coroners findings even if we had survived the rest of the gestational period she would not have lived very long and it would have been agonising for her.
DeleteAs far as I'm concerned I am in charge of my own fate I don't rely on some invisible man in the sky to determine how I live my life and I don't go around forcing people to live my way either
My mother took a chance and put our LIVES in the hands of "the invisible man" you made a choice to Not give your babies a chance, you chose death for them.
DeleteIt is beyond my heart's comprehension how cruel a human can be to the helpless and innocent.
Satan "another invisible man" is running rampant and leading people into sins.
Your first baby was killed because of convenience sake, selfishness, and greed. your second baby was killed because of fear for your health.
I'm sorry to hear about your liver, why not have the doctors take it out of your body too. good luck to you.
Clearly you are a Christian terrorist. Convert or die seems to be the way you people want things. Thankfully I live in a country where you would be a minority.
DeleteAs for "killing" my babies you are completely deluded and if you had your way so many women would die because your moral bullshit would make a medical procedure illegal. If you had actually read the story correctly none of my pregnancies went smoothly. Thankfully I did not have to worry about how much the birth was going to cost nor did i have to be insured as healthcare is free to everyone here. Not just rich people like it is in america.
As for your invisible people you should probably be on some sort of medication for that. I'd rather side with satan but since there is no proof that he nor god exist i'll live my own life my own way
I spit my tea on this! Clearly you are the terrorist against innocent babies and women. I re read the story and your first abortion was due to you just not being ready and having a home full of rabbit poop "just wow" and this was while having free health care "wow,again" by the way free health care for the poor is available here in the USA, do your research sweetie.
DeleteI do believe you mentioned "the invisible man in the sky"
Also you quoted on facebook "The bible even states that life begins when you take your first breath. Don't go twisting Gods words to fit your own agenda if things like this were really Gods will i'm sure being an all powerful being he would tell us so....You might want to check with your doctors about getting some kind of Bipolar screennings "it's free" one day you believe in God and you ask Jesus questions and the next day you say otherwise. One day you say it's a Fetus and then you call it a Baby. hmm, this is sad and I feel bad for you. Bless your little heart.
Clearly you can't see past your delusions of "God" to understand. I made a choice it wasn't an easy choice but i had the right to choose. Just like you have the right to choose not to. I'm not trying to take away the choice from you to not have abortions so why would you take that choice away from others. I have a friend who says that she is "pro-life" but she doesn't believe that other people should have to be forced into having a child if they choose not to.
DeleteHow do you know that god doesn't want women to be able to choose how they live. Also isn't it god that is supposed to judge us and not raving lunatics claiming to be doing the work of jesus?
I found Jesus a while back and he lives in Paradise and smokes weed and makes music.
Can you make a valid argument about banning abortions without bringing god into it?
Apparently you aren't able to make an arguement without bringing your "god" and "jesus" ino it. Love it! "It's like a donkey talknig about big ears"
DeleteI have many friends and family who had abortions and now look back and wish they had made a better decision because with science and technology they realize that indeed it was a human life they chose to abort "kill" They now know that they gave into politics and profit. I Love them and comfort them by showing them that by sharing their sad stories with future mommies, maybe, just maybe, they can make a difference in these womens lives.
My valid argument is simple.If you accept that the fetus is human "like you did", you admit that it is equivalent to any other human to kill it. Therefore it should only be ok to kill it in the same situations in which it would be ok to kill a grown human. Do rape, incest and AIDS justify killing an adult? I’d think not.
Can you answer my question now? You said you felt your 3rd baby die inside of you. At what point would you say she had "life"?????
I can't see how your argument is valid at all.Of course a fetus that would be inside a human would be human. I wouldn't be having a litter of kittens in there now would I? If someone was attempting to kill you would you just go ahead and let them kill you? My second and third pregnancy had nearly done that my 4th pregnancy also came close to being fatal as well. My third pregnancy I refer to her as my baby because she was my baby she did have a heart beat and most of her internal structure but she would have never fully formed. She never grew muscles over her bones and her bones were warped and mangled because the tendons attached would not allow for the proper growth.
DeleteI can't change the past and neither can you so why harp on it. Why demonize people who have been put in a position where they have had to make an almost impossible decision that is difficult enough.
I have a friend who had a similar situation when she was pregnant where there was a possibility she could die but one of the fetuses died. She chose not to abort which was her decision and I fully supported her on that decision and comforted her on the loss of the twin that she lost. She was also there for me and supported me when I made my decision not to continue my third pregnancy.
This is my point which I'm trying to convey here which is CHOICE. You ban abortions, you deny women to choose autonomy over their own bodies.
If you have had to be in my position where it was you that had to go through this then by all means see how well it goes for you. Since you haven't then what exactly is it you are trying to do here? Convert me? Make me out to be a horrible person because I made a decision without gods consent? To prove that pro-life people aren't raving lunatics that think women go out and have abortions like having teeth removed?
As for me bringing my god into this I don't have a god because from what I've heard of "god" I want no part of it. Especially when people such as yourself hide behind god to do what you think is right and just while denying others the right to do what they feel is right.
If you can't see, simply open your eyes and do your research.If someone attempted to kill me or my children, I would most definitely protect us."failed argument". I am mostly concerned with your first pregnancy, since over 90% of abortions in the USA are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for birth control. Abortions due to medical dangers to mother or child are the smallest percentage and most of the people for abortion take advantage of these sad situations "like having teeth removed" You are the one who brought your past to light by inviting me to this page while you were protesting on a pro-life page.
DeleteEducation is the first step on our long journey to restoring the sancity of innocent human life. I am not hiding, silly girl :)
Abortions "for birth control" may be the single most ludicrous statement uttered by the anti-choice faction. Seriously, Diana? Do you honestly believe that anyone uses abortion as birth control? Can you seriously not see how horrendously difficult the decision is? Can you honestly not understand that the circumstances that push a woman to choose to terminate a pregnancy via a therapeutic abortion (as opposed to a spontaneous abortion, or miscarriage) are beyond the simple idea of "birth control?"
DeleteI think my head just may explode. Oy! I hate abortion and I wish no woman was ever placed in the type of situation that puts her face to face with that incredibly difficult decision. I have had an abortion, and while it was the right/only decision that I could reasonably make at the time both the decision making process and the abortion were horrendously difficult and painful. But as much as I hate that abortion has to exist in our world and as much as I hate that women are ever confronted with the need to make that choice I would NEVER seek to strip them of the ability and right to choose. That there are people like you, Diana, who would strip women of their rights ... that may be the only thing more awful than abortion itself.
"Abortions for birth control" is the single most inane argument made by the so-called Pro-Life faction. I know many women (including myself) who have had therapeutic abortions (as opposed to a spontaneous abortion, commonly called a "miscarriage"). Of the dozens of women I know personally who have had abortions and the many dozens I have corresponded with on-line, not one woman has ever indicated that she had an abortion as "birth control." That is an inflammatory statement, the intent of which is two fold. First it is designed to be dismissive of the very real and serious concerns of a woman who is choosing a therapeutic abortion. Second it is designed to incite anger by dismissing the circumstances surrounding the choice being made and reducing it to a "matter of convenience." It is an attempt to frame women who choose to terminate a pregnancy as callous, cavalier, uncaring, promiscuous, irresponsible, and deserving of whatever abuse the "pro-life" contingent chooses to sling at them.
DeleteI hate abortion and I wish no woman was ever placed in the type of situation that puts her face to face with that incredibly difficult decision. I have twice terminated a pregnancy, and while the decision was the right/only decision that I could reasonably make at the time both the decision making process and the abortions were horrendously difficult and painful.
But as much as I hate that abortion has to exist in our world and as much as I hate that women are ever confronted with the need to make that choice I would NEVER seek to strip them of the ability and right to choose. That there are people like you, Diana, who would strip women of their rights ... that may be the only thing more awful than abortion itself.
Some women using abortion as a form of birthcontrol, is a true statement as inflammatory as it may sound. I have personally spoken with a girl who had over 10 abortions, not medically related. Perhaps you should venture out into the ghetoo or continue researhing.
DeleteI hate abortions too! The intent of an abortiion is to kill a living human being. The choice being made is death to a child if by "choice" you mean abortion.
Are these "choice" of words you used to describe a woman who chooses to abort "kill" her child, ment for the women with no medical dangers to her or the baby?
That there are people like you, Carole, who would strip an innocent child of his/her rights and say it's a womans ability and right to "choose" is sick!
Diana,
DeleteI have spoken with literally dozens of women who have had abortions. I have been an escort at abortion clinics shielding women from the "loving advice" being screamed at them from so-called good Christians. I have participated in several post-abortion support groups. I have talked to dozens of women on-line who have had abortions.
I don't need to venture into the "ghetoo" (whatever the hell at ghetoo is) nor do I need continue researching.
Though I am certain that in your mind the mythical one "girl" (what a misogynistic and degrading term that is) to whom you claim to have spoken trumps my personal experiences.
As for which women my words supporting choice are meant to describe ... that is simple. They are meant for all women. I have no right to sit in judgement on women who choose to terminate a pregnancy. It is not my right or place to decide whose situation is worthy of the right to make a choice and whose isn't. I, unlike some, do not possess the necessary hubris to believe that I can sit in judgment.
Hi Philip, It is very admirable to see a man speak up for the helpless and innocent.
ReplyDelete"By determining gender one must admit that is a human being in the womb."
How come so many of the "abortion is murder"-people are religious? Could it be that their religion is making them not see the scientifical facts in those matters?
ReplyDeleteIndeed they can't seem to see past thier own agenda's
DeleteWe are dealing with a human life - scientific fact!
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DeleteYou should not bother making two diffirent accounts, lol! Now you talk to yourself too?
DeleteWhat is not logical about a baby in a mother's womb being human, scientifically speaking?
You are the only person here that is mentally ill.
DeleteYes you are, Theressa. It's o.k. though because you get free medical. One too many abortions, will mess a head up. good luck!
DeleteDiana, what you, based on your religious views say is life, is different from what science say is life. Also, as in the cases where something goes wrong, as with Theressa, I just can't see what you are arguing about there. Do you really think that is what she wanted? Sometimes you have to make a choice, and that is a choice that is made, everyday, among all species, and what are human, if not another animal?
DeleteOh please give me more information on "my religious views"
DeleteThousands of unborn babies are killed each day because the mommy to be doesn't feel ready, what animal does this? With the first abortion, that is exactly what she did. These types of abortions account for over 90% "not medically related"
Why do states charge a double homicide if someone kills a pregnant woman? answer this question for me because I dont understand where you're coming from.
What does science say is life?
Diana, you stated, "One too many abortions, will mess a head up. good luck!"
DeleteCan you please provide me with a source for this information? What precisely constitutes "messing a head up?" How many abortions is safe? What, precisely, is "one too many?"
Any medical text or peer reviewed journal article will suffice. I mean since you're all about about the science, can you support your assertion?
Carole, just reread this entire article, why go any further?. The confusion, regrets, what ifs.... I see all of these as "messing a head up"
Delete"one too many" meaning, one is to many!
I can not tell you how many abortions are safe, all I can tell you is that abortion terminates a pregnancy by exterminating a life! The killing of an innocent, defenseless human being is murder.
You want more sources, look them up yourself, sweetie.
Diana,
DeleteYou are the one who presented the clinical diagnosis that "one too many abortions will mess a head up."
I simply assumed that since you were presenting some clinical diagnoses that you'd have the information to back them up. Of course, in retrospect, I should have known that you wouldn't be able to, sweetie.
Theressa, I'm sorry you have to deal with these jerks. You made the correct choices for you based on your circumstances. I'm glad that you are here today and that you were able to have a healthy child that you could provide for.
ReplyDeleteI am glad you are here today too Theressa. I am sure your story will help many future moms make better decisions. You show much more pain when your baby girl was shown to you than when your first baby was vacumed out and thrown away, like trash. This says alot!
ReplyDeleteYou are a fucking lunatic plain and simple. Also the cells that were removed from my uterus could have well been used in stem cell research to save millions of people all over the world. If you haven't got anything sensible to say about this then by all means you have the right to remain silent and you should excersize it.
DeleteI feel your pain girl! I hope you never have to choose between your life or your son's life, if someone were to break into your home and make you choose.....poor baby because "he could not live without you" right? who is the lunatic here? you :)
DeleteI have read all the statements here. And it still comes down to "None of our business" She has the right to do what she needed to do. None our business, its between her and god not us, her and God. I don't believe that if I had done the same that I would be thrown into the pit for it. Only you are doing that. I believe God to be forgiving and its not up to you. If you can say whole heartily you led a unblemished life ,devoid of sin then step up I want to meet someone who thinks their name is God. "You without sin cast the first stone, and judge not or you will be judge by god " If you can guaranty you spot on the book of life then by all means judge away. Coarse you realize that you can't do a lot of things that others would find damning . People we all need to step back a take a good look at ourselves. Unless you are perfect in all ways ,don't condemn, that is none of our business. I don't live in a glass house I'm not perfect but I know not to treat people badly because they don't fit my ideals . I don't have to pay for what she went through but I'll be damned if I'll tell her she will burn for it. So now there ,I had my say. Now all you holier that God go back to your judging and calling names because we all know what you think of Theresa but do you know what that says about you? And guess what ?call me crazy but I don't care ."its none of your business.
DeleteI seriously doubt you read all the statements here. She invited me to this page while protesting on a pro-life page, asking for our opinions, by doing so, she made it our buisness. Keep reading the book of life and take more notes, please. Here is one to put in your pocket, Amy. "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves". Look it up.
DeleteBabies in the womb are innocents, they haven't done anything wrong. Barbarity and cruelty are the right names for [abortion]. keep closing your eyes and ears to the silent cries and make it none of your buisness if you wish. Have a nice day.
I posted the blog on a "pro-forced birth" page to show that people who have abortions are not doing it for the hell of it. I was hoping that I could help people understand that removing a woman's choice to do what she needs to do that is best for her and her circumstances would deny children like my son the right to live.
DeleteClearly you have shown you would deny my son the right to live because of what YOU think is wrong. Two wrongs don't make you right.
You posted this blog on a facebook page called "I am for life" to make yourself feel better about your first abortion. You helped people understand that what you call "choice", means to abort "kill" your baby for whatever reason you "feel" is right. Three wrongs to make you right either, Theressa.
DeleteAs far a saying your son would not be here today if you had not killed your first "son or daughter" how do you know this?
I recommend people visit this facebook page to see what it's actually about. Helping future mommies make better decisions when it comes to the life of the baby in her womb.
Three wrongs don't* make a right either, Theressa.
DeleteClearly, Diane Anderson is not "pro-life". if she were, she would realize and know that, in the US, a woman is FOURTEEN TIMES more likely to die from pregnancy than an abortion. WHO ranks the US as 49th in the entire world in maternal mortality and morbidity and has the worst record of any developed nation. Clearly, she lands squarely in the fetus worshiping pro-forced birth camp, never mind that any concern for "the baby" stops the minute it pokes it's head out of the birth canal and really becomes a baby. These people believe in POST birth abortion.
ReplyDeleteWhere are the numbers coming from,Cathai? Can you also share the survival percentage of babies who are aborted? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteReport: Eating a sandwich safer than giving birth, study says.
So when these personhood laws come in Diana how many of these children are you adopting? How many severely disabled children are you going to adopt? How many crack babies will you adopt? How many babies will you sit and watch die as soon as the umbilical cord is cut from the mother?
DeleteThose numbers come from the National Institutes of Health and the CDC, both of which are Federal governmental agencies and don't "skew" numbers. I referenced the other one when I said "WHO" (The World Health Organization, which is an arm of the United Nations). If you want citations, you are just as capable of using Google as I am.
DeleteBy the way, that number may have gone up to FIFTEEN from fourteen since the last time I researched it. I noticed that Dr. Herbert Hodes referenced the same sources in testimony before a legislative committee and he stated it was fifteen.
DeleteThank you for sharing, I will do my research. Did you happend to research the survival rate on the babies who are aboretd, or are whe going to ignore this fact?
DeleteI reccomend you look into what The Guttmacher Institute (the abortion industries own research group) 92% of abortions in America are purley elective- done on healthy women to end the lives of healthy babies. Women need to be clearly informed on what exactly it is they are carryin in the womb. It's a life and that's a fact.
Would you care to cite your references on that too? Because i'm pretty sure that sort of information would not only confidential but protected by privacy laws.
Delete"Diane" (if that really is your name), I have come to the conclusion that you are a professional troll. I'm not sure what you really believe. I doubt that you are "anti-abortion" and I KNOW you aren't "pro-life". On the other hand you don't talk like the usual "God" motivated, fetus worshipping pro-forced birther, either. I think you just hate women and you're trolling this page for jollies.
DeleteI've been an activist for women for over forty years and I've dealt with your kind before; supercilious, condescending and all around asshole.
You aren't here to listen, to learn or engage in honest debate. You're here to hi-jack this page and this thread and to have fun.
Go'way. You're botherin' me, kid. I got more important shit to do than to play footsie with you.
"Cat", I have come to the conclusion that you are misinformed. I think you hate human life and may require a professional doctor for your issues.
DeleteWould you like a trophie for being an "activist for women"? It's old hags, like you, that confuse our young girls into believing, the baby in their womb is a piece of trash they can empty at any time. Go back and read, moron, I was invited here :)
I should go away because you are bothered and I am a kid? What age would you give me, Cat? Honestly, your first sentence is still making me laugh....complete fail!
"Crap" (I'm guesiing this is your real name, Cathain)
DeleteThose numbers are worth a crap too. I noticed that Dr. Herbert Hodes is misrepresenting the truth, that would mean that abortion-related maternal deaths were never reported, and that is a violation of the law.
The truth about how many women are actually dying from so-called “safe, legal” abortions may never be known. As long as regulatory agencies place abortionists on the “honor system” and do not audit them to ensure compliance, it is more than likely that the mystery of the actual number of abortion’s maternal causalities will never be solved, and that only serves to create a dangerous environment where the lives of women are placed at risk.
By the way, I only play footsie with my man. I do enjoy kick boxing for crap like you, though.
I will adopt as many as I can and for the ones I can't adopt I will help find them safe shelter. There is actually help out there for these mommies and babies, you just got to look and not be lazy by choosing to slaughter them. Again, failed argument.
ReplyDeleteWhy have you not already adopted a child in need or several children. Demonizing women who have made a choice in the best interest of both themselves and the fetus helps no-one but I bet it makes you feel all powerful demeaning someone else because of how you feel and what you believe. If you think it's wrong then don't do it it's just that simple.
DeleteAlso is it fair to bring a child into the world knowing full well they will most likely will be abused? This is what many women myself included faced. If you can't see anything from anyone elses point of view then I recommend you remove your cranium from your rectum.
Also it sounds like you want to start an animal rescue group not actually help these women and children. Reading up on the adoption process I'm fairly certain you would fail the home study. Oh did you know that it costs between $300 and $3000 for one of those and that more than one is required for the adoption of one child let alone more than one. But I suppose buying a baby off someone who was forced to go through the whole experience is a much better way of doing things rather than stopping the division of cells before it actually becomes a sentient being. I thought slavery was a thing of the past but if you want it back by all means vote for all these bills because that is exactly what it will be.
Theressa, We all have a moral obligation to assist, not to penalize, women struggling with the challenges of an unplanned pregnancy. Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life. If both mother and child are healthy, why choose death for a child? If you have an abusive "baby daddy" get away from him, crazy!
DeleteDid you know, if you still don't want your baby after it is born, You may be able to drop it off to a Hospital, Fire Station, or Police Station without any questions asked. In order to leave your baby there you must leave it with an adult that is there. If there is nobody there it is illegal for you to leave it there. These humans will find a better life for your child and you can "feel" free. Your adoption "logic" is a fail.
Pardon the pun but you are killing me with this sentient being rhetoric. This is just another attempt at making the killing of a human being acceptable.
Treating human life as property is wrong in any century. America’s treatment of the unborn child is just as deplorable and despicable as America’s past treatment of slaves. There is no difference. If you feel slavery is wrong, you have to say abortion is wrong.
You have not actually made any point here. You don't give a shit about human life if you did you would already be helping children that need homes rather than forcing women to have children they can't provide for either emotionally or financially. There is no point me discussing my views with you because only your views matter to you and fuck anyone else who has a point of view different to yours. You just want women to be enslaved into having babies because of your sick and twisted morality. You have no point you are just trying to make yourself look like you have the moral high ground but you don't. You think you have all the solutions but all you are is a big big part of the problem.
DeleteDiana I'm going to quote your stupidity and tell you why YOUR "logic" Fails
Delete"Theressa, We all have a moral obligation to assist, not to penalize, women struggling with the challenges of an unplanned pregnancy. Every effort should be made to work with women considering abortion to enable and empower them to choose life. If both mother and child are healthy, why choose death for a child? If you have an abusive "baby daddy" get away from him, crazy!"
If you really were seeking to assist and not penalize women who have unplanned pregnancies why the hell are you here screaming murder at me? Secondly what sort of lame assed bullshit are you pulling with victim blaming by saying "if the father is abusive get away from him" I did many times and even after I left him he stalked me up until about 4 years ago when my my now husband had a chat with him.
"Did you know, if you still don't want your baby after it is born, You may be able to drop it off to a Hospital, Fire Station, or Police Station without any questions asked. In order to leave your baby there you must leave it with an adult that is there. If there is nobody there it is illegal for you to leave it there. These humans will find a better life for your child and you can "feel" free. Your adoption "logic" is a fail."
What you're saying here is you have to be responsible for brining a child into the world then if you're emotionally and financially too drained to care for a child that has been forced upon you, feel free to dump the kid off at your nearest emergency services. Seriously I can't see how your "logic" works here. I would rather have an abortion than subject anyone to that complete uncertainty of if the child would have any sort of quality life. How could you know that the child would grow up in a safe loving environment, How do you know that the people "adopting" the child would not abuse the child or change their minds about taking the child on a few months later. I've seen the horrors of the foster care system. There are already 7 billion people on the planet which is more than enough. Why make more people to suffer uncertainty because YOU believe abortion is murder.
"Pardon the pun but you are killing me with this sentient being rhetoric. This is just another attempt at making the killing of a human being acceptable.
Treating human life as property is wrong in any century. America’s treatment of the unborn child is just as deplorable and despicable as America’s past treatment of slaves. There is no difference. If you feel slavery is wrong, you have to say abortion is wrong."
Pardon the pun but your stupidity is killing me. A fetus is a fetus. When it becomes a "human life" is debatable. Your continuous flow of verbal diarrhea is making the idea of killing another human being more acceptable. You say treating human life as property is wrong so why do you get a say in what I do in MY body. Forcing women to have children they don't want and can't provide for by making it law that they have to go through with an unwanted pregnancy IS SLAVERY. America's treatment of Americans is deplorable and I am thankful that I do not live there. I want my friends and family that do live there to have a better quality of life that isn't dictated to them by people such as yourself.
Slavery is wrong, abortions are subject to circumstances. It's not your place to say what someone else can or can't do because thats when it becomes slavery.
I was just thinking, Diana Anderson, as a pro-life person, I assume you are for birthcontrol, for planned parenthood, for support to the women that accidentally get pregnant and for proper sex education in schools?
ReplyDeleteHey "E" I am for supporting any woman in any situation, your point?
ReplyDeleteThat is really great. I was just curious, since many pro-life people in US I have read comments from and had conversations with, was pro-life but didn't want to do much to make it better, other than cast guilt on women. I am glad you seem to feel otherwise in that at least.
DeleteThank you E. Many women bring guilt on themselves after going through abortions and instead of helping our future mothers make better decisions, they simply cover their own guilt by telling these girls that it's their "choice" choice to what I ask? Help is out there but it's easier to send them to have their babies slaughterd and cover it up with a word like "choice" Help these scared, uninformed future moms by speaking up and speaking truth, Theressa. I know you know how much love a child can bring to your own life, imagine what you could do to the lives of other women who have been told that what they carry has no life.
DeleteOne of the great powers of science is that it is able to help clarify moral issues like this for us. It’s a powerful tool. Science is clear on this one. If you are a fan of science, then consider also being a fan of human life – at all of its stages.
Trying to guilt and bully women who have made a difficult decision really must make you feel all powerful and better about yourself. How is that supporting any woman in any situation?
DeleteYou can't support someone if you are completely devoid of empathy which clearly you are. Now if you would actually like to make a logical point without attempting to emotionally blackmail people more people might take the whole "pro-life" movement more seriously.
There are some aspects of abortions that I do not agree with like having one after 18 weeks without a medical reason which is why I have not done such a thing. I do not regret any of what I have done as I would not be the person I am today.
Make your point if you have one if not maybe you should find another outlet for dispensing your judgemental and repulsive banter.
I have been thinking some more. What is life, really, and who has the say when it comes to the life in the womb? Of course, that is a tricky question, because different religions say different things, so for myself, I tend to lean towards science and nature.
DeleteOne thing is, yes, the cells that makes up the beginning of a featus, are alive, in that state already. But they are not a person. Simply beeing alive does not make anything a person. Cancer cells are also alive.
Another thing, these living cells exist inside a living person. A living person who is already...a person. Isn't that person entitled to have a say in the matter? I think she does.
More thoughts, what is best if you want to save as many unborn children as possible? To make abortions illegal and hence forcing the mothers to have illegal abortons, OR to make abortions legal, but focus a lot on all the things around the whole "planned parenthood" concept, as well as having free birthcontrol, solid support for expecting mothers, highly increaced sex education in schools etc. ? Because you know, this last thing is what actually helps and makes abortion rates drop.
And do you know something interesting? In many animal species, the female can "abort" her young in cases of, for example, bad food supply, bad conditions etc. Humans has just another way of doing it. And I know you will see me as a horrible horrible murdering person, but you know, I think I mentioned this before, but I am not sure I would be able to have an abortion in case I got pregnant now. But that has nothing to do with me seeing it as murder, or thinking that some god wouldn't like it. That is all because of me, and appliable only on me. My own thing so to speak. And I would never dream of telling anyone else what to do in that case.
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DeleteAs a woman, a Christian, and a pro-choice advocate I just want to say how utterly disgusted I am with the comments some people are making. Aborting your child won't send you to hell, and they shouldn't be guilting or bullying you, Theressa. In the book of John chapter 8 in the bible, Jesus tells his disciples "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her," regarding an adulterous woman. It sure seems like some people on here should be without sin, but none of us are. I think what Theressa did was the right choice for herself, and she had a right to choose it. No one else can tell her she was wrong to make the choice or tell her how to live her life. Plus, it's all in the past, so what's the point in telling her she's wrong anyway.
ReplyDeleteI am glad that there are still some decent Christians left Katherine and I hope that there are more like you than there are of the ones who have chosen to bully me here. Thank you for restoring some of my faith in humanity
ReplyDeleteDue to the awful and disgusting comments that keep appearing from a certain individual all comments are now being moderated.
ReplyDeleteAnything derogative to myself or any other person who comments here will not be published. We're all adults here so please act accordingly